Thursday, August 27, 2009

What They Knew and When They Knew It

Normally I would write off the US was behind it or knew about it as a conspiracy.  However, this time it seems to be somewhat true.

There were several meetings at the US embassy before June 28 with different members of government and Manuel Zelaya about his illegal referendum.  What was told to members of Congress including Micheletti who was basically the president of Congress at the time was that it didn´t matter how legal it was they would call anything they did to remove Zelaya a coup.  So basically even if we had not removed him from the country they would have called it a coup anyhow.  It was a damned if you do and damned if you don´t situation.

Why the US would take this position I have no clue.  The only thing I can assume is that last year testing discovered one of the largest oil reserves in America in Honduran territory and our constitution the way it is written prohibits this oil from being exploited by foreign sources.  This is one of the articles he wanted to reform in addition to throwing out our entire constitution.

They claim they tried to stop the situation and I agree they probably did.  However, they didn´t try hard enough.  What they should have done is been very hard nosed with Zelaya instead of Congress and it would have stopped the entire situation.  What they had to tell him is that not only would they support the impeachment but they would try and convict him in the US if he continued with his illegal referendum.  That would have ended the nonsense right then and there.  He would not have broken into the airforce base and stolen documents that were siezed and he would have accepted the poll was illegal and said that while he wanted to do it that he wasn´t going to because the court had ruled it illegal.

However, the new US government is inexperienced at hard ball and who to play it with.  They were threatening the wrong side. The government of Honduras had already told them that they wanted him to not do the referendum because it had been ruled illegal and that if he did they would remove him regardless of the US position.  So their strategy should have been in dealing with Zelaya and not with Micheletti in stopping the situation. 

10 comments:

Joche said...

"but they would try and convict him in the US if he continued with his illegal referendum"

On what charges? - I despair sometimes!

LaGringaSPS said...

drug trafficking

LaGringaSPS said...

and misappropriation of US AID funds.

Joche said...

Good try - let's see your proof!

LaGringaSPS said...

Sure, over 50 million lempiras was removed from the account for security and drug interdiction. This money is used to pay the elite police and for drug trafficking to be stopped. So there is your misappropriation of funds. The money was withdrawn to pay for 4th ballot project not security or drug war stuff.
Second the outrageous amount of Venezuelan drug planes that landed in Honduran territory while he was in office mysteriously disappeared after ward not to mention the money in his desk was in dollars and tested positive for cocaine.

Joche said...

That's not proof - that's hearsay - the only people that have evidence is the Micheletti government and they are wisely not publshing their evidence until/if Zelaya returns - in which case he will be arrested and charged with whatever offences they consider appropriate.

Joche said...

"but they would try and convict him in the US if he continued with his illegal referendum"

I assume that any trial would be under the auspices of "innocent until proved guilty" - your statement assumes he is guilty already.

Although not a fan of Zelaya, I still believe in due process of law - you obviously don't!

LaGringaSPS said...

Actually you are wrong I do believe in the process. I think it is more appropriate to try him abroad than in Honduras because of the difficulty to get him a fair trial and have spoken of that at length. It actually isn´t hearsay either. I have read the documents and watched the video where the money was removed. He did it, the money didn´t grow legs and walk away.

Joche said...

It is still hearsay - unless you have access to the actual evidence, of course.

A video of someone removing money means nothing - unless you can prove that it was Zelaya (which it wasn't) and that the actual money itself was the same actual money that found its way into Zelaya's supporters' pockets.

Documents and videos that have been published would not stand up in a court of law, I promise you.

The government have a lot more evidence than you - they will use it when they deem it appropriate.

LaGringaSPS said...

Oh I know they have a ton of evidence that they aren´t showing us and evidently it is fairly convincing but it won´t matter what we have...you do know the real reason for all of this is the oil found off our coast last year right? 150,000 km2 of the stuff between Tela and the Moskitia. The stone articles prohibit foreign sources from getting their fingers on it...but they want to and Zelaya is willing to give it to them..so they want to install him regardless..because no one else will play that game.